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This question popped up in my in-box, and I thought it worth sharing:
Hi,
Someone on another blog suggested you might be able to answer this question.
I was at the range recently and I ran into an old timer who had an M1
and reloads his rounds (I have only a little over half a century under
my belt so far :-)
He claimed, I seem to recall, that chamber pressures on his M1 were of
the order of 48,000 PSI rather than the usual 60,000+ on a bolt-action
30-06.
Today, it seemed to me that this should not be the case, since the
bolt on the M1 does not unlock until the combustion gases bleed down
the gas port and operate the piston. So, there should be little
difference between the pressure that develops in an M1 compared with a
bolt-action 30-06 with a comparable length barrel. At least that is my
first thought.
Can you comment?
Perhaps he uses less powder in his hand-loads.
An interesting question. The SAAMI specification for chamber pressure in the venerable 30-06 round is roughly 50,000 Copper Units of Pressure, which does not exactly relate to PSI (which is much higher). It's taken by measuring the deformation of a pure copper pellet which is contained in a pressure vessel attached to a tap port on the chamber of a very special pressure measuring 'gun'.
The question itself has some flaws, chief of which is this: One cannot measure chamber pressure without such a rig. One can only guess at the pressure, and no matter how good the guess the factors involved are myriad. Bore diameter, bullet diameter, chamber dimensions, bullet weight, bullet jacket composition, powder load, powder type, cartridge casing thickness, primer type, free-bore ahead of the chamber, temperature at firing.... each adds to the mix, and any single one can make huge changes in chamber pressure.
The reasonable answer is to plan on staying well under the maximum chamber pressure, leaving a wide margin for error in the interest of safety. Most firearms are engineered with such a wide margin, being capable of significantly more pressure than the cartridge would normally have. This is the thinking behind 'proof' loads, which have been used since the inception of firearms as a means of proving the integrity of the barrel. Typically a double powder loading back in the day when the charge was poured into the muzzle, a bullet rammed home and some intrepid soul pulling a string tied to the trigger.
As for the M1 Vs. Bolt Action question, I would have to disagree with the gentleman who thinks them inherently different. I can't see why pressure would be any different, given all other factors being a match. Right up until the bullet passes the gas port, and then all bets are off as pressure is bled away to operate the action of the wonderful M1 design.
IF all other factors were equal.... and that is the point. There are so many factors, each vitally important, that the rifle action itself is of little consequence by comparison right up until the op-rod shoves the bolt back and cycles the action.
More to the point when considering the difference between the M1 Garand and a Bolt action rifle of the same caliber is the Pressure Curve of the load. In other words, given a safe and reasonable chamber pressure... what is the pressure in the bore when the bullet finally passes the gas tap port? That is the pressure which will operate the action, and given a load which has too high a pressure at that point the action may be damaged.
I hope this answers the question.... and I have written it out as best I know how. I am certain there are folks more expert than I amongst the readers here, and I would welcome thoughts and opinions on the matter.
Lord knows how I became the expert..... I'm just a fat old school teacher from Pennsylvania (laughing to and at myself).
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Just a couple of thoughts here, if I may.
The Achilles Heel in the old M1 is the long operating rod/piston. Slamming that back against the receiver housing by using modern ammunition designed for bolt actions has a tendency to warp and crack the operating rod as well as the receiver heel. This has been empirically demonstrated over the years. The military loadings were at 50K psi for a 150 copper jacketed bullet traveling 2500 fps and some of the modern loads have that 150 grain copper jacketed bullet traveling at 3K fps at 65K CUP. Yes, CUP is different than PSI but a little reasoning is in order here. Powder burn rates are the biggest consideration here if bullet weights are kept the same.
So my opinion, for what it's worth (and I'm no expert), is to be very careful about loading 30/06 for the M1 as opposed to loading for a bolt action. Follow the manuals and "don't believe every dog is a Labrador Retriever".
Just my 2 cents.
YeOldFurt
I read this article recently and passed it on to my kid, who is going to be reloading for his grandfather's M1: http://www.guns.com/the-secret-to-a-long-life-a-garand-diet-or-what-to-feed-your-m1-garand-part-i.html
Check a burn rate list and you will have a long list of powders that have the right pressure curve to protect your operating rod.
The CMP sells ammo from Hornady which has the following description:
Hornady .30/06 Range Ammo 150 GR. FMJ-BT 100/RDS CASE
Hornady .30/06, 150 gr. FMJ-BT, 2750-2800 fps. Range
Ammunition.
Loaded specifically for use in a M1 Garand, 1903/1903A3
Springfield, and 1917. The ammunition is designed to
closely duplicate M2 Ball performance. The 150 gr., FMJ-BT
projectile does not attract a magnet.
I have some brass-cased ammo for my Saiga and have been considering reloads as well.
So, I guess I need to careful with the pressure curves of the powder I use in them as well.
All three of the earlier posters are correct... Pay the money and buy the Hornady ammo, or be very precise in your reloading!
The Saiga uses the AK piston system as I recall, somewhat more forgiving than the older Garand design as it's a shorter, straight piston/rod.
I think Federal makes .30-06 specifically duplicating the M2 ball load for the Garand, too.
I believe the general rule is 'no bullet heavier than 180 grains'.
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